Credit Market Complacency Gives the Fed Room to Crush the Stock Market – Mish Talk
Corporate bond data via St. Louis Fed, chart by Mish
Chart Notes
- Yields are monthly averages except for current month
- Current month reflects yields on May 17, 2022
Yield Categories
- AAA: Top Tier
- BBB: Lowest Investment Grade
- BB: Highly Speculative Junk Bonds
- CCC: Vulnerable to Nonpayment
Complacency Abounds
- CCC-rated debt currently yields 12.93% vs the 2008 peak of 39.24%. In 2016, a non-recession year, CCC-rated debt yielded 20.82%.
- BBB-rated debt currently yields 4.78% vs the 2008 peak of 9.79%. In 2018, a non-recession year, BBB-rated debt yielded 4.73%.
- BB-rated debt currently yields 6.07% vs the 2008 peak of 15.75%. In 2016 a non-recession year, BBB-rated debt yielded 6.58%.
Yields are rising but largely reflect the mythical soft landing thesis.
Fed Has Room to Hike
As long as the credit markets remain complacent the Fed has ample room to hike.
And the Fed will continue to hike until there is a recession, a credit event, or inflation comes down.
Which One?
I suggest the Fed will pause on recession, at least for a few months, and may pause before that if inflation starts to bend. My last call was a pause after a July hike, and I am sticking with that opinion.
Other bright minds I follow believe the Fed will keep hiking until inflation is way lower unless there is a credit event.
It’s possible both views are correct. A recession, credit event, and a drop in inflation can all hit simultaneously.
How Fast Will the Hikes Come?
We are all guessing, but for now assume the Fed gets in a half-point hike in June, and another half-point hike in July.
That would put the Fed Funds Rate at 1.75-2.00%.
I am not positive we get that high. A quarter-point hike or even no hike in July is a reasonable shot if retail sales and housing get crushed and inflation moderates somewhat.
The Neutral Rate
Neutral is the Fed rate that neither promotes growth nor attacks inflation.
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Many on Twitter keep expressing the idea that the neutral interest rates is close to the CPI.
I assure you neutral is nowhere close to 8% or even 4%.
Where is Neutral?
For discussion of the neutral rate, please see The Fed Searches For the Neutral Interest Rate, Where the Heck Is It?
It would not surprise me in the least is neutral was 1.50%. And if so, the Fed is highly likely to overshoot.
If the Fed hikes to 3.0%, I am sure the Fed will have overshot neutral, but I also doubt we get there regardless of inflation.
I would expect some sort of credit event before rate gets that high.
What Next?
That picture is more clear.
In the short- to mid-term, expect more hikes and much more stock market carnage.
The stock market is nowhere close to value territory as Target, Walmart, Amazon and other company earnings misses have shown.
Target Plunges 25%, What About Yesterday’s Big Retail Sales Blowout?
For discussion of earnings misses, please see Target Plunges 25%, What About Yesterday’s Big Retail Sales Blowout?
Also see my timely April 30 post S&P 500 Earnings Estimates for 2023 Rise, It Won’t Happen
The technical stock market damage is huge and the fundamentals are very poor. I will post some more charts later today or tomorrow.
This post originated at MishTalk.Com.
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